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You made me laugh with your first interdiction to Beavis and Butthead. I'm not laughing at this Government Shutdown,as you've so perfectly written about this afternoon. What started out to be a way for the Two Party's to sit down and move forward (a time out) as It were,has completely been obliterated over Smitty's first and second terms. So I totally understand your comparing the Cartoon to the shutdown to land this piece. Remarkable, Rohn 🙏

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Mr. Kenyatta, I need go further than "I am compelled to note that in the 1980 “US” presidential election, Republican Ronald Reagan defeated incumbent Democratic President Jimmy Carter in a landslide." to point out the tyranny of what we call majority rule.

If 50.7% of the population voting for someone becomes a landslide, the point is made. It doesn't matter to me if every single other vote was for one different candidate, all that means is 49.3% of the persons who voted didn't vote for Reagan and those 49.3% had no say... period.

It's not just the electoral college thing...if we had an actual electoral college as supposed by the founders, I guarantee you Reagan wouldn't have had enough votes to even make it into one of those congressional deals to select Pres.

Politicians (at that time) on both sides wouldn't have given him their vote. We may have a problem with mixing the electoral college and popular vote, but when Reagan won by his "landslide", no one really meant a landslide e.c. victory, they meant a popular vote landslide which 50.7 ain't.

But hey let's get real here, of that 50.7 nearly 2/3 of it were aged 30-40...my wonderful generation of hippies who now did what they said and were not like their parents, they were not like they voted Reagan.

Reagan got less than ten percent of the (union) working class vote in '80. ("84 would be a different story).

So all Reagan got a majority of was the cowards who had protested VietNam (not saying the War was good but the protesters were cowards because they were protesting what they didn't have to participate in but would be perfectly willing to sacrifice others to in Iraq & Afghan.

Let's get this straight, just for clarity. Winning the vote of the first generation of a large number of college graduates who had been too cowardly to fight in a war they had been exempt from and now were mocking anyone who believed in justice for all as their own pocketbooks swelled and they claimed greed is good. Hey the only movie that ever scared the shit out of me was The Big Chill released in '83.

There's your mandate, there's your majority rule, there's your democracy and everything is fluff up the ass that ices the rich man's (or wanna-be rich man) cake.

Clinton and Neo-liberalism was kinder, gentler assholism that was less kind and harsher than Reagan even dreamed of during his reign of senility.

Clinton however might be excused because he was genetically deformed just enough (like many men) to be able to suck his own dick so he sought power to force others to do it...Hilary was just his Ghislane Maxwell who until Monica was able to blackmail the women he abused into silence.

Even were it a landslide, say he had gotten 60% (which I think only one president ever received; first popular vote in any state I believe might have been '20, but the first time it was considered by the electoral college was '24),, that is still four out of ten unrepresented...their choice thrown to the wind, and people's choices, policy wise, have never been elected...period. Maybe Teddy, but he fell into the presidency the first go round.

But there was an awful lot of opposition to both Roosevelts, you know neither was "landslide" popular. We've never had landslides but victors always claim it so they can announce they are the people's choice.

Shutdowns, etc. are bullshit. Wanna stop em? Real simple. They are paid to pass a budget, they can't do that, constitutionally they've lost their mandate to represent. I mean how many get paid for not doing their job? How many get paid for going on strike?

They are now insurrectionists, by 14th that president and that Congress are barred from office. New election, none of those guys pardonable.

And I'll see a mandate when a vote is unanimous.

How can that be?

Probably not until a country doesn't claim it has a mandate over 350 million when it gets voted in by 175,000,010 people (assuming all 350 million voted, which of course they can't, or don't.)

Man don't pat yourself on the back for protesting against kings, when you're only protesting against a particular. I might accept that.

But my protest is against all kings who are elected to be king by 50.7% and against all of his court of jesters elected by the same margin and just their claim to have a mandate to open or shutdown the government is a fraud. They have no mandate and I don't recognize their legitimacy; I don't recognize anyone's legitimacy to "represent" me that hasn't sat in my parlour and talked to me about how he will represent.

And if having that many representatives is too many then maybe the country, or the people of the country want a democracy, it can't be done on the scale it is purporting to rule over.

50.7% is a mandate only over 50.7% and where is the representation of the other 49.3%???

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